SammyG

You must be kidding? Its the same distance as Doncaster which you rated as "a far outer eastern suburb" Please do some research?

I am confused by your vitriol for this suburb John! You surely can't be a local resident. No one I have ever met in this suburb has such a negative view of it. Good luck in your house hunt! I hope you find yourself a wonderful place in a suburb that is not Rosanna... Best of luck. CR

to all visitors to this page - please note that I discovered that there is a heated online disagreement between SammyG and others regarding the merits of Doncaster on another part of this website. I thought you should be aware of this so that you can read their comments with the knowledge that john andon is clearly unhappy that his suburb was not looked upon favourably by SammyG. I know, petty, but I think it best people are made aware of this.

Oh please cassier, my responses are genuine and not sure what your agenda is here. SammyG trashed Doncaster with several silly comments including his heading of "Far Outer Suburb", which you know is just untrue. Please before "warning" others, read carefully?

Cassier, I also think you are just being ridiculous and we all have opinions and you cannot tell others our opinions do not matter. I can't believe your response!

Well you've certainly badmouthed me haven't you "cassier"? I only comment with real comments which I honestly believe otherwise I would not post any! Please read what SammyG wrote and then respond before unleashing silly unfounded warnings to other readers? You are being ridiculous.

Oh and East Doncaster Secondary College outranked Mt. Waverley last year. Maybe SammyG needs to pull his head in because Doncaster is a very m]small suburb with only one secondary school while Mt Waverley/Glen Waverley are double the size respectively and contain several each.
However, Doncaster is very close to Balwyn/Canterbury etc which have several elite colleges. The catchment for Doncaster Secondary extends into Templestowe due to the small size of Doncaster so basing results from one school on how good any given suburb is, is just insane. Anyone can pick things out to inflate for their advantage and focus only on the negative which SammyG has done.
Oh and I grew up in my teen years in Doncaster and my high school was not even in Doncaster due to being closer to one in a neigbouring suburb!

Again, please do yourself a favour cassier and read what Sammy wrote about Doncaster before describing my comments as vitriol?

I've noticed how you've not included Westfield Doncaster re easy access from Rosanna, but included Chadstone which is more than twice as far away. Strange that.

And twice in separate comments! I see an agenda here.;-)

I am sorry to see that you take my comments so personally john andon. I have reported the posts to Homely earlier today because I thought them all inappropriate. I hope this helps you feel like you are not being targetted. Nor should you feel that Doncaster is being targetted. I have no problem with your suburb. I just think life is too short for this kind of exchange. Best of luck with your house hunting!

btw sorry about the typo re Chadstone - I must have been thrown by Cassie A's post. I meant to say Westfield. I hope this means you don't feel like there is some kind of conspiracy against your area. There are certainly plenty of people that enjoy the Apple Store. All the best!

Suggesting my words were vitriol just shows how phony you are since SammyG initiated the vitriol on here. I only talk facts, not crap. I stand by all I've written.

For heavens sake, report the comments? As they say, get a life.

If you think life is too short to argue points on here, why did you do so in the first place? Obviously you feel just as offended as I was about having my suburb "trashed" for no good reason other than spite. Anyway, facts and figures which are well documented tell the truth in the end.

If a description/opinion of a suburb offends you so much that you need to report all comments, you seriously need a new hobby.

Thanks for the warning about their petty war Cassier. Very helpful.

Some individuals tend to have this view point when they can't afford to own a property in the area. Why do you need another form of poor transportation when you have excellent bus services? I have been commuting by bus for the past eight years. I found it very convenient. Most of the top performing children's in the area tend to leave EDSC and Doncaster Secondary for Selective school s and programs. This is the reason why these schools don't perform well from year 10 to 12. The wealthier families (Most of them are.) Will send their children to private.

Cannot afford to buy into the area...lol...I can buy into Doncaster out of my petty cash tin. Not sure which comment is more amusing, the excellent bus services or the quality of the schools, might call it a draw.

I'm sure you are a very rich man. Lol.

Also worth separating myth from reality http://localstats.qpzm.com.au/stats/vic/melbourne/north-east/doncaster as one can see, median income well below Melbourne average, but who cares about the facts.....

Yes, there is a myth and reality. Most families in the area are oversea business owners, or professionals that hold senior positions in large organisations. I certainly know where I am!
Statistics 101 - You will need a more reliable source of data. Here is another for you:

http://images.theage.com.au/file/2012/11/29/3848598/LGA_incomes.xls

You need to look at Manningham. Note again .. Most families are oversea business owners. Not sure how much of that contributes to the statistics.

My link is derived via the ABS, hardly an unreliable site, the link you have posted is misleading as Manningham constitutes many suburbs that prop up the lower income of Doncaster.
It is not hard to do some research and verify the median income figure for Doncaster, and as for your comment about MOST families being overseas business owners, I am unsure when less than 10% ever meant MOST.

Not sure what you are thinking. Do you think "the age" won't derive their data from ABS?? You have to live in the area to truely understand the demographics. It wouldn't be the case that you got priced out of the area. It's only petty cash! :-).

Suggest you look for a property in Melton. Actually not a bad investment.

Lol epawei good on you for outsmarting this "SammyG Sore Loser Petty Cash Tin Holder"!!!!! His comments are laced with jealousy and stupidity!!! Any one and every one who lives in Doncaster or Manningham are laughing all the way to the bank ... besides, we enjoy the BEST lifestyle and investment culture in this buzzy little town of ours!!! Yes, SammyG, Melton, Trugannina, Hoppers Crossing, Tarneit or even Broadmeadows would be right down your alley!!!

Yes off course, I have been outsmarted by highlighting Doncaster has no train links and poor to average academic results at Doncaster and East Doncaster, the facts are there for all to see.
KellyD2, if you consider that I have been outsmarted by a comment such as "I should go look for a property in melton" then I guess you are as intelligent as epawei.
This site is about everybody expressing an opinion, I expressed mine and about the poor transport links, distance from the city and poor academic results, the response I received was that I was jealous and that I should look in Melton, Trugannina etc, yes what an intelligent response. My parents live in Doncaster and I know the area well, it has its positives and negatives however you just fail to see it.
BTW: I assume you are aware the unemployment rate in Doncaster is nearly double the state average at over 10%....

Sammy, how is it possible for residents to be making below average incomes living in a suburb whose average house price is closing in on a million? The stats for the area paint a contradictory picture.

SammyG What's your REAL beef with Doncaster? Poor transportation and lower academic results? Not a thread of truth in your damning comments/opinions!!! Are you including retirees, self funded elderly, babies and children in your unemployed estimate? What a lot of crock!!! I ask you ... Why are so many people busting their chops trying to buy into the suburb? Outer suburb? ... Do you regard the distance of 15 kms to the CBD as an outer suburb? Seriously, your arguments simply do not make any sense at all. I moved from scummy Kensington, 20 years ago, to escape the serious drug, vandalism and break-ins crime to come to a suburb that virtually guarantees a lifestyle of progress, harmony and safety, and as diosbananos so rightly stated, "How is it possible for residents to be making below average incomes living in a suburb whose average house prices are over a million dollars? It seems likely you have a resentment of unaffordability towards Doncaster and ... Don't knock the suburb your parents live in ... it will hold you in good stead when you collect your inheritance!!!

SammyG, just to set the story straight .. here's another interesting read for you. It doesn't appear you have any idea!

http://www.news.com.au/finance/real-estate/suburb-salary-interactive-map-where-you-can-afford-to-buy/story-fncq3era-1227281272522

Well, a popular argument is that the 'Asians' invest in Doncaster and artificially prop up the prices well beyond what the local residents can afford. There is a grain of truth to this. My cousin is a real estate agent in the area and he has sold properties to Asian couples that have neither moved in or rented them since the date of purchase; and that can be after a few years too.

However, it's also well known around here that residents lie about their incomes on census forms. There was a joke in my old social circle 15 years ago that everybody in Doncaster claims they make 50,000 a year.

It's also important to consider that Doncaster has more one income households than average and a higher rate of home ownership. If a suburb has high rates of home ownership, 'lowish' incomes become much less of a problem(if the reported statistics are true). For example, my pre-tax income is just over 63k in my mid 30's, but I own my home outright(in Doncaster), so I actually have more money to spend than my 'richer' friends who make 80-100,000 a year with huge mortgages in more prestigious suburbs.

It's all relative to some degree.

Sammy G, you obviously take ABS figures at face value and do not research into what actually makes them. Doncaster may have an "average" income of sorts but what you have obviously not bothered to find out is that it also has a very high over 60 age group meaning a high number of retirees and pensioners who actually own their own homes. As for being a far outer suburb, that is just nonsense and if you actually bothered to look at a map you will find it is nest door to Balwyn North which I'm sure is not an "outer" suburb. As for the school results, I think you will find that different suburbs get different results from differing criteria, but of course you again go on face value. Of course you would not realise that many local students actually attend very high performing private schools of which are within very easy reach to Doncaster. And anyone singling out Asians for inflating house prices in Doncaster, all I can say is they are people just like anyone else and need not be used as an excuse to rubbish what is actually a great suburb of which Sammy is so obviously jealous of. I have known the suburb for over 46 years and at this moment it is enjoying a surge in popularity because it simply deserves it just like it was over 40 years ago when it was one of the most popular in the whole metro area of Melbourne. Please do your research beyond a list of tables which do not give the full story in future? As a matter of fact you will find "household incomes" can be higher in suburbs with bigger families and when you do actually do good research you will find Doncaster has the same if not higher average "single" income to some of those suburbs such as Glen Waverley which on face value on ABS STATS is not much different to Doncaster yet has a very high rated govt. secondary school. So Sammy, you gave yourself away by using the term "very outer suburb" and that was just your heading!

diosbananos, people lying about their income is not exclusive to one suburb for a start and I doubt it is rampant in any particular area and if you also do your research beyond second hand information, you may discover some "facts".

Also, "well known" that residents lie about their incomes? Well known by whom? Doncaster isn't and never really was a always in each other's pockets" suburb for a start. It astounds me to read things which seem so far fetched and totally irrelevant to a place I've spent most of the last 47 years in.

Sammy also rates Rosanna with 5 stars yet Rosanna is just as "close" to the CBD as Doncaster although a much CHEAPER suburb than Doncaster and not popular to Chinese as is Doncaster. And Doncaster now having an above $million median house value must be so irritating when Rosanna has a way to go to hit that mark.

In the 1980s when the Doncaster/Templestowe municipality was predominantly young family orientated unlike now, it had the highest proportion of households with over $50,000 annual income in all of Melbourne. Anytime when reading "low income" on the ABS tables, you MUST check what makes up that "low income" figure because anything from aged pensioner, self funded retirees to unemployment could influence that figure and those who beat their chests suggesting it has only one meaning are just not educated enough to use these statistics in a proper manner.

SammyG is purely diatribe

Hey guys sorry for interrupting this post, I just moved to templestowe lower and it's just between the border of Doncaster..came across this post and read some of you guys comments. I do have to agree that manningham council has done a great job developing this suburbs in the east and I can see that a lot of wealthy people living here both templestowe and Doncaster. Transportation wise I think it's ok, not too bad but I personally would want trams or maybe a train station would be very good :) however travel to boxhill to catch a train is also not bad option..there's also a huge park and ride for local commuters which is a very good idea for residents that work in the city but don't want to drive to work because of city traffic. The only disadvantage I have to say about the park and ride is they are always full before 8am or 830am and by 5 to 6pm everyone rush home at the same from the car park. Education wise is really good! My wife used to study at Doncaster east secondary and she said that's probably the best school in the area. So yeah we moved here not because we can afford a bigger house it's because we believe the education level is going to be good for our kids and lifestyle is just family orientated. We love our new home and it was pricey but it's all worth it, we bought our place for over 1mil and the price will just keep increasing so that makes this suburbs in the east a high class living area, not many can afford to live here. So far I haven't seen any junkies around or any trouble makers in the busy areas like shopping malls or main bus stations so this place is pretty safe I reckon. I highly recommend for others to consider moving here.

Now thats a sensible comment!

The original post is just pure nonsense.

SammyG mentions median income but does not tell the full story when that income is usually "household income" and Doncaster having a high older population affects that figure while surrounding suburbs with higher younger family populations are higher or even much higher median income. You can compare Doncaster to say Glen Waverley by "individual" median income and its just the same. Add extra family members t and that jumps up. SammyG is just a classic case of using selective figures to make a point which is often just done to create a false image. I would suggest SammyG use some common sense and do some proper research and also buy a ruler to measuRE how far Doncaster actually is from the CBD and correct his own post.

Oh and SammyG has some very odd "pros" listed on his review of Rosanna which he gave a 5 star rating. Several on that list do not even exist in Rosanna such as Bunnings/Sydney Rd. "SHOPPING CENTRES"etc.
If you live in Rosanna you will need to go elsewhere for all those things.
As for Doncaster/East Doncatsers academic results, East Doncaster exceeded cthose of Mt. Waverley in 2015 .
And again even if I'm repeating myself, Rosanna is no closer to the CBD than Doncaster anyway.
The current development in Doncaster is proof that there is far more confidence in the area and land values are much higher than those in Rosanna for a good reason.

WOW - I knew I was a good researcher but I must admit I am surprised and disappointed to read this exchange between the lot of you. Seriously, get off your high horses people. You all live in lovely suburbs be they totally over valued (which I think we can agree includes most of Melbourne!!). Spare a thought for newcomers to Melbourne who just want an honest insight into different areas. Seriously, this exchange and some of the posts made by johnandon on the Rosanna Homely page are petty and immature. People are struggling to find places to live and this type of mudslinging is really disappointing and erodes my faith in the integrity of the online community.

East Doncaster Secondary out rated Mt Waverley in 2015. Rankings always change. I agree that most of the best performers in the Doncaster area go to private school and I only see private school uniforms in the area where I live anyway. Even way back in 1969, most in my street went to private, Trinity/Ivanhoe Grammar/Kingswood/MLC etc etc.
Sammy and cassier can say what they like but obviously they have no idea. Doncaster is between 12 and 16km from the CBD so how on earth is that "outer suburb"? Get your ruler out SammyG. Median house price of almost $1.3 million, alternating top of the list for searched by Chinese along with Glen Waverley and a higher annual mean rainfall as a bonus! Magnificent city views/mountain views and even a panorama of the eastern suburbs. Fantastic shopping centre which just had a $600,000,000 expansion and now another $500,000,000 expansion has been approved by council. Several multi storey apartment blocks either completed or under construction, new 800 dwelling Mirvac residential development on the former Eastern Golf Club site and underground power on the main roads of Doncaster Hill so no unsightly poles and wires! Adjacent Balwyn Nth., minutes from Kew/Camberwell and only 11 mins to Collingwood off peak makes for easy access to nightlife. The positives of Doncaster far outweigh any negatives. I dare anyone prove me wrong on the facts I've just mentioned. If you try, ytou are clutching at straws! Adios amigos!

Oh and Box Hill walking distance just thought I'd throw that in.

With Box Hill hospital/Epworth/Box Hill Tafe also. And the Smartbus can take you from Mordialloc to Altona via the centre of Doncaster. Box Hill tran station easily accessed by bus in a few mi means no need for a car at all. Even a bus to the city from various locations if you want. Oh, since when was "Heidelberg" expensive?....Adios #2

"cassier", why don't you call INTERPOL to investigate bad comments about Rosanna? As for "good researcher", give us all a break and go and bake a sponge or band a few nails into a piece of wood or something?

"bang" a few nails that is

@diosbananos, you wrote.."However, it's also well known around here that residents lie about their incomes on census forms. There was a joke in my old social circle 15 years ago that everybody in Doncaster claims they make 50,000 a year."...... Are you serious? Your "circle of friends"? Seeing that all the truth is determined by your "old circle of friends", we may as well just go home. Amazing how some think everything revolves around their "circle of friends". Are there any serious contributors here? How on earth would you know what everyone puts on their cencus forms? Going by the official results, I cannot see eveidence of everyone in Doncaster claiming to have "over $50,000" annual income (even if that figure is so damn outdated as its a lover than average figure for these days and reflects the late 1980s at best, when Doncaster/Templestowe had the highest average annual income in metro Melbourne with more households with over $50,000 annual income than any other. It was documented in one of the leading newspapers c.1987. I lived in Doncaster when it was one of Melbourne's most affluent areas and was on average more expensive than Camberwell in 1975! Next time before you unleash such insane comments, do yourself a favour and research some truths about whatever you claim to know all about based on gossip by what seems to be untrustworthy real estate agent relatives!

"we may as well just go home. Amazing how some think everything revolves around their "circle of friends". Are there any serious contributors here? " It's time for you go home I think. Two of those people in that circle were former council members. Another two were among the wealthiest people who live in Manningham. So yeah, I would take their word over yours any day of the week. Sorry. I'd suggest quit taking statistics at surface value. It's a very naive thing that's all too common in this country.

the 50,000 claim was for individuals, not families. That was not 'low' in the 90's/early 00's at all. It was above the state average.

diosbananos, do you seriously believe what ex councillors and rich people from Manningham tell you? May I suggest you get into the real world?
Most rich Manningham people are fast made money and usually cannot hang onto it for too long and I wouldn't believe someone based on how much money they have and also ex councillors? You have got to be kidding me?
I know the area very well as I have lived here since 1969 and know it like the back of my hand and I do notneed someone else telling me what is and what isn't.
Ex councillors? HAHAHAHA oh my god!

SammyG is so jealous of Doncaster because his Rosanna is such a boring place.

As for median household income there are a lot of retired people there and smaller families so a lesser household oncome.

Why would someone ftom Rosanna bother to write so much negative stuff about Doncaster is beyond me.

diosbananos you have no credibility whatsoever. How on earth would ex councillors or "rich people"know what people say on a census form?

diosbanaos you come across as very naive and juvenile. Very immature. As is SammyG the jealous one from "Rosanna"